Posts by watch the tower

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The Given Ones, Jehovahs Provision? by Barbara Anderson

by Dogpatch in

the watchtower april 15, 1992, p. 31, par.

1, 5, 6; p. 13, par.

the watchtower april 15, 1992, p. 15, par.

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Wow! This is unbelievable. I was working at the Brooklyn HQ during this time. I remember when Wischuck went through a phase where he seemed drained of energy. I think I just found out why. If I only knew what was going on behind the scenes. Of course I had no clue.

The real eye opener here for me is that Franz got help from an unknown Jewish non-witness man. What the.....? I think there is a great chance that this mystery Jewish guy provided Franz with a lot of ideas for the doctrines of this religion. I highly doubt that this was a one time visitation. I'm willing to bet that this "consultation" was going on for a long time. This may explain why this is an extremely works-based religion (just like Judaism) which bases a lot of it's doctrines on the old testament. This could also explain why there is not much emphasis on Jesus within it's teachings for being a "Christian" religion. Franz came up with the backbone of this type of ideology.

I always thought that there was some external authority beyond the GB that was controlling this organization. It always seemed fishy to me. I think this also adds weight to the info posted on this board that the WTS was originally financed by Bnai Brith and the Rothschilds using Russell as the front man. There seems to be a link here.

This is by far the best post I've ever read. Thanks Barbara!

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Bethelite Attorney-In-Training Receives Award

by West70 in

general studies student receives women's forum education award

school of general studies student kathleen apltauer has received the 2005 women's forum educational award.

the award is presented annually to new york city women in recognition of the extraordinary and heroic efforts they have made in order to overcome adversity in their lives.

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I am assuming that Apltauer is a Bethelite from what the article states; and if so, I am further assuming that she is being sent to Columbia by the WBTS, so she can enter Law School once she graduates. I further wonder if she counts her "volunteer activities" as field service hours?

She is a bethelite. I remember both her and her husband quite well. Her husband taught the new boys how to brush their teeth and floss during orientation when I was there. No kidding. They really have a separate orientation for this.

White Sox manager's interesting religious practices

by watch the tower in

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ozzie guillen may mean something else when he is trying to "sacrifice" the runner to second.. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/columnists/dan_le_batard/12939089.htm

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Ozzie Guillen may mean something else when he is trying to "sacrifice" the runner to second.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/columnists/dan_le_batard/12939089.htm

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Timing for coming out of the closet

by watch the tower in

here's my situation.. i was raised in an extremely conservative jw family and have been one my whole life.

i have completely stopped going to meetings several months ago.

it has been a gradual fade for the past couple of years but all my wt activities have come to a grinding halt at this time as i no longer believe any of the things that were taught thanks to research that i have done on the org.

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I appreciate everyone's input. Coming out of the closet for me is not an 'if' but 'when'. My gut feeling is now is not the time. The after effects will be too great. I think that there will be a time when it would be appropriate to take that action. I don't know when, all I know is when not to. That would be now.

It's quite an awkward situation to be in right now. It'll be tough biting my tongue when I visit them this winter.

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Timing for coming out of the closet

by watch the tower in

here's my situation.. i was raised in an extremely conservative jw family and have been one my whole life.

i have completely stopped going to meetings several months ago.

it has been a gradual fade for the past couple of years but all my wt activities have come to a grinding halt at this time as i no longer believe any of the things that were taught thanks to research that i have done on the org.

watch the tower

Here's my situation.

I was raised in an extremely conservative JW family and have been one my whole life. I have completely stopped going to meetings several months ago. It has been a gradual fade for the past couple of years but all my WT activities have come to a grinding halt at this time as I no longer believe any of the things that were taught thanks to research that I have done on the org. and also thanks to all the info on this message board as well. It's hard for me to imagine that only a few years ago I was pioneering, giving public talks and was a respected member of the JW community as an ex-bethelite. The local JWs that I am acquainted with have no idea I have completely faded since I have told them I have moved and am attending a different congregation. My life has drastically improved in many ways since stopping these activities. The liberating feeling that comes from living guilt-free is hard to describe in words.

My JW family has no idea as well. My mother is a wonderful person. She is one of the most kind, genuine, loving individuals that I know. However, she is severely indoctrinated with the JW doctrines. She's about as hard core as they come when it comes to this. She's one of those ppl that practically worships the organization. She has no idea that I have completely faded out. She lives in a different area so she is totally oblivious. She thinks I am still an active JW although she has figured out that I am not as "spiritual" as I once was and have expressed her concern. My dad is not as hard core tho.

I'm at the point where I want to come clean and expose the things that I have found out to my family. However, I know it will completely devastate my mother. She'll think I have sold my soul to the devil. I would never want to do anything to hurt her in that way. At the same time, it burns me up inside to see my family being mislead in this way. I will need to come out one of these days, I know that. I am trying to find out the right time to do so where I can minimize the emotional turmoil that will inevitably result. Also, I would like to do it at a time where they might be able to comprehend and digest the information that I have accumulated about the WTS and see the vanity of it all.

The WTS appears to be losing steam. I guess I am waiting for the time where it has lost enough steam where even thoroughly indoctrinated ppl like my mother will have to question the validity of the org in the back of her mind. I am counting the days.....

I am interested in hearing what you have to say about when you think would be a good time to come out of the closet to put an end to this mindless charade.

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Jehovahs witnesses and illuminati????

by theinfamousone in

ok, so ive been reading this book called schildren of the matrix, which to be honest with you is alot of crock... except a few very thought provoking questions.... i have heard it said that the "founder" of jehovah's witnesses pastor c.t.

russell was a member of the illuminati... this author says that originally the bible students were called the "mind-control sect" by charles taze russell himself... and that he was a member of the illuminati and this was a new way to control more minds and more of the world by the aforementioned group.... what do you think???.

the infamous one

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I'm surprised at you. Have you been researching and reading about occult practices and bloodlines? Tut, tut, tut!

For ppl who are reading this, it is in reference to another thread where I criticized littletoe for indulging in Satanic works of literature by Blavatsky and Pike as a 'true Christian'.

There is a slight difference between my source and the sources that you mentioned.

Springmeier's material is designed to EXPOSE the occult practices and bloodline, Blavatsky and Pike's material is designed to PROMOTE occult practices.

Just like this message board exposes the WT and the WT magazine promotes the WT. There is a slight difference between the reading of the two dont you think? If you're not sure... check with the elders.

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Jehovahs witnesses and illuminati????

by theinfamousone in

ok, so ive been reading this book called schildren of the matrix, which to be honest with you is alot of crock... except a few very thought provoking questions.... i have heard it said that the "founder" of jehovah's witnesses pastor c.t.

russell was a member of the illuminati... this author says that originally the bible students were called the "mind-control sect" by charles taze russell himself... and that he was a member of the illuminati and this was a new way to control more minds and more of the world by the aforementioned group.... what do you think???.

the infamous one

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Here's an interesting excerpt from an interview:

Fritz Springmeier:

Everybody has probably heard of Jehovah’s Witnesses and how they would go out and knock on people’s doors. I was the opposite. I was a Christian missionary to bring Jehovah’s Witnesses to Christ and I was getting tired of working with these little Jehovah’s Witnesses on the street, and I was praying to God to be given the power to decapitate the authoritarian organization that is over these Jehovah’s Witnesses. At that point, I got my prayer answered. I got this confidential information that the heads of the Watchtower Society were collaborating with the heads of the Latter Day Saints church. That information totally changed my life. I had bumped into the Illuminati and their mind control, and I am not to single out the Watchtower Society and the Mormon church because I found out that their infiltration and control is pretty well right across the whole spectrum. Your Christian organizations in general have been infiltrated and controlled from behind the scenes.

Here is the link to the whole interview:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon05a.htm

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WHAT ARE SOME TITLES YOU COULD SEE IN THE WT?

by stillAwitness in

titles you could see in a wt/awake magazine:

1. candy-can it detract us from true worship?

2. rape victims-you are now allowed to scream again!

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See men (Semen)! It's Grand Climax in Hand!

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I can't read the WT and AWAKE anymore

by Jez in

hundreds of supplementary publications written by unnamed authors that can hide behind the watchtower and bible tract society and say anything without referencing it.

lately, i have been thinking that this is one of the reasons that the society does not encourage higher education.

try handing in an essay without your name on it, try not referencing your essay, try having no works cited, try to have only 1 works cited, try quoting out of context, try spewing statistics or numbers or trends in your essay with no reference or date, add ellipsis that only alert your instructor to the potential of hidden information, or try presenting as support for your thesis a third party quote.

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The 2005 Edition of the New World Translation just released contains some New Light on this verse:
1 John 5:1 "Everyone [obeying the faithful and discreet slave and] believing that Jesus Christ...."

You gotta be joking right???!! I don't have the new edition. Did they really do this???

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Bible reading without the WT filter

by watch the tower in

you know even though i think the wt doctrine is mostly all garbage now, i still do believe that the bible is inspired from our creator.

the flaw in my understanding of it in the past was because i was interpreting it through the filter of the wts.

recently i have started clean slate and read the bible without the wt filter (easier said than done, your mind has a way of reverting back to what was programmed in there).

watch the tower

Of the two biggest all-time bestsellers (The Bible and Atlas Shrugged) you will, oddly enough, find people who say what you just said about both of them.

Comparison of "Atlas Shrugged" with the Bible...

That was a weak analogy...Why stop there? You could have mentioned Dr. Seuss. Those books brought me happiness and changed my life at one point in my life too.

Nuff said...

You obviously don't get the point.

It's OK. Atheists never do. However, I hope you do someday.

peace